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« on: July 15, 2010, 01:31:23 PM » |
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HI. I'M GETTING READY TO PUT SOME CRAGARS ON MY 71 AND WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT ON SOME TIRE SIZE. I HAVE TOO MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE TIRE AND THE BODY IN THE REAR. I AM CURRENTLY RUNNING 235-60-15 AT ALL FOUR WITH WHAT I ASSUME ARE THE STOCK RALLY WHEELS. I HAVE ONLY OWNED THIS CAR FOR ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND JUST STARTING TO LOOK IT OVER. THE TIRES SEEM VERRY CLOSE TO THE FRAME IN THE REAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEASURE TIRE TO FRAME WITH A FEELER GUAGE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM MOVING THE BRACKET FROM THE FRAME TO A BETTER SPOT. I AM OLD SCHOOL AND STILL LIKE FATS AND SKINNIES. IT LOOKS LIKE A 235-70-15 MIGHT GET ME A COUPLE INCHES UP. I'M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT OFFSET ON THE RIMS. I LIKE TO SEE A VERY STOUT STANCE WHEN VIEWING FROM THE REAR. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE AS I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID A HUGE MISTAKE. DENNY
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 03:33:49 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 03:28:38 PM » |
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Do you already have the Cragars? and are you talking about the S/S Cragars? The original Cragar S/S's had a 3 1/2" rear spacing which is virtually the same as your factory rally wheels in a 15 x 8". To simply try and fill the wheel well your on the right track by going to a 70 series tire however you will loose some width. Your best bet is to get the wheels and go to a tire store and have them do a test fit with the 235/70r15 and a 255/70r15 which would be a little bit taller, however your speedo will be off. If you know the wheel width or the part number post it so I can check the specs and offer any other help. I used to be a Manager for Super Shops back in the early 90's where we sold a bunch of Cragar's and BFGoodrich radial t/a's. I've installed 18 x 8 Centerlines on my 76 with a 4" rear space and don't have any clearance problem and didn't have to relocate the ebrake cable either.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 03:28:38 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 08:17:08 AM » |
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thank you very much for the reply. i have not yet purchased the cragars yet. i went to a vette show sunday and my wife really liked the stock rally wheels she saw on the 71 stingrays, so it looks like i'll run the stock wheels for a while. i am still torn between the 235/70 and the 255/70/15's. the speedo is not an issue, but i'm a little concerned about clearance on the inside. i'll just have to make a trial fit. palmbeach,your 76 looks great and thanks for the input.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 08:33:10 AM » |
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Thanks and your very welcome. The brotherhood of vette owners is a great thing, always here to help each other in any way we can. I do agree regarding fitment of the 255's. The rear shouldn't be a problem but the front might rub. Here is a link I use a lot that you can put in your current tire size then a size your considering and it will show the differences between the two. http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 07:16:06 AM » |
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thank you for the link. i'll put it on my favorites.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 06:19:00 PM » |
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Been thinking the same thing about my '68. I'm LONG way from being to where this is a real issue, but I want to be buy things as I go along and not all at once. I like the fat meat in the rear, skinnies in front too. My wife doesn't care! LOL! I like the Cragar SS. I did question though does the 60 or 50 width affect performance? In my puny mind it seems it would take more hp to turn the wider tire and hence decreased performance. Does it really matter? How does the wider meat affect handling?
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 01:40:35 PM » |
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Been thinking the same thing about my '68. I'm LONG way from being to where this is a real issue, but I want to be buy things as I go along and not all at once. I like the fat meat in the rear, skinnies in front too. My wife doesn't care! LOL! I like the Cragar SS. I did question though does the 60 or 50 width affect performance? In my puny mind it seems it would take more hp to turn the wider tire and hence decreased performance. Does it really matter? How does the wider meat affect handling?
Handling will be affected more by the sidewall height. A 50 series is lower and wider so a shorter, stiffer sidewall will flex less than the 60 series which is taller and not as wide. The tread width will give more traction which increases performance regarding reduced wheel spin, but if smokey burn outs is what your looking for than a 60 will light up faster and easier than a 50. Then you have to factor in the compound of the tire too. A harder compound less traction (bite) and a softer tire has good traction but doesn't last long.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 09:36:45 PM » |
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I presume then that the 70 would be even stiffer than the 60. Sure I want to some smokey burns, but I am more interester in handling in the long run. So it seems like the 50 may be a better choice. How can you tell the differences in the compounds?
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 04:00:07 AM » |
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I presume then that the 70 would be even stiffer than the 60. Sure I want to some smokey burns, but I am more interester in handling in the long run. So it seems like the 50 may be a better choice. How can you tell the differences in the compounds?
Not stiffer, actually the opposite and just taller with more sidewall flex. The more sidewall a tire has the more energy can be absorbed and a smoother ride is obtained since alot of the imperfections in the road are not felt. Low profile tires (50's and smaller) are stiff in the sidewall to prevent flexing which makes them handle great in cornering situations but they transfer every nook and cranny in the road through the car and the steering wheel. That's why luxury cars and trucks have alot of sidewall, partially for the comfort ride but also load ratings. Sports cars have less sidewall to handle the speeds their capable of and hopefully to keep the car planted to the ground when the go fast pedal meets the floorboard  To determine the compound you have to check with the manufacturer for specifics but a easy way is to look at the Treadwear number on the sidewall, the lower the number the softer the compound and the higher the number the harder the compound. Treadwear is generally used as a selling feature regarding the mileage longevity of a tire. 320 used to be the average for a car tire but a 220 or 180 was the sport ZR rated tires. Now some companies are increasing the tread depth which also increases the Treadwear rating though the same compound may exist but since the depth is greater the tire would last longer since you start with more material, that's where you would have to check with the company for specific compound questions. For a daily driver the 60 series is the most popular tire on the Corvette in the original 15" wheel size (255/60r15) the factory tire on most C3's was a 225/70r15 which was around 27 1/2" tall. Using the tire calculator I posted earlier in this thread you can compare different tires sizes to your current size and also change the wheel size and tire accordingly. That's how I chose the 18" wheels for mine since a 255/45zr15 was a 1/2" shorter than the factory size on paper.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 06:54:11 PM » |
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How is the ride for with 18s?
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 07:08:24 PM » |
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How is the ride for with 18s?
Excellent! Even before I lowered the car and put the bigger front sway bar in, she handles great and the tires balanced up nicely, even my wife commented on how smooth the car is on the interstate and then she says "she feels like she just wants to go" then I grin  and crack open the throttle
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 07:44:35 PM » |
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I can tell you just hate making that fast pedal wear out the floor! HA! Are you running the 18s all the way around? What size 18s are they? Mighty hard to find a set of used Cragar SS 18s though!
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2010, 03:44:43 AM » |
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I can tell you just hate making that fast pedal wear out the floor! HA! Are you running the 18s all the way around? What size 18s are they? Mighty hard to find a set of used Cragar SS 18s though!
I bought Centerline Champ 506 wheels. 18" x 8" all the way around with a 4" rear spacing. Centerline made them since they can do most any back spacing you want, so they don't keep them in stock. It took 4-6 weeks to build but I used to sell Centerlines at Super Shops and they are a great quality wheel. Your right Cragar SS's in an 18" would be hard to find since it was only recently that they offered the larger wheel size. Many moons ago the biggest you could get was a 15", sold a bunch of those too, only draw back is the chrome after a long time can pit, surface rust and flake off.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 12:08:12 PM » |
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I've seen plenty of those pitted and flakes SS. I had a set on my '68 Camaro back when and they pitted too, even with regular washing and waxing. Seems you've done alot! Good for us!
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